Diluted Thinking
in Australian healthcare

Vaxxed QLD Tour 2017 - Cairns event


Date: 31 October 2017

MC: Tasha David and Meryl Dorey

Special Guests: Dr Stephanie Seneff (via Skype)

Live-stream video: Fans of the AVN Facebook 8:58pm

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Q&A Highlights

The AVN and Seneff really outdid themselves in this Q&A session spreading fear-mongering and misleading information about vaccines.
There is so much of it I've provided links to the videos with a brief description.

Disease is Good
It is beneficial to contract vaccine-preventable diseases.
Vaccines weaken our immune systems, making us more susceptible to other diseases.
These diseases, in the past, were no big deal.
The Dark Ages
Society would be better off returning to the days when we didn't vaccinate.
The vaccine concept is a broken concept.
Vaccine Injury
Thank the Vaxxed movie & bus and social media for the anti-vaccination movement getting stronger.
We need to take action to stop vaccine injuries.
The risk-benefit ratio of vaccines is an irrational analysis; some vaccines should be removed from the schedule.
Flu Vaccine
The flu vaccine actually increases susceptibility to catching the flu.
The flu vaccine is ridiculous; nobody should get it.
Herd Immunity
Herd immunity is bonkers.
Medical exemption criteria should be increased.
Ethyl mercury in vaccines is 60 times more toxic than methyl mercury.
MMR during Pregnancy
Herd immunity is a myth.
The vaccination program is putting babies at risk.
The measles vaccine is messing up nature's plan.
Vaccine Shedding
Vaccine shedding is a real phenomenon; vaccines could be the cause of disease outbreaks.
Big Pharma
Big Pharma is stopping the troof getting out there.
Vaccine Manufacturing
Big Pharma is careless and doesn't care about the vaccine manufacturing process coz vaccine court.
Dark-skin & Autism
Dark-skinned people are more susceptible to autism and vaccine injury coz dark skin.

Disease is Good

Dr Stephanie Seneff:

As I research vaccines more and more I think they really have the wrong mindset about how to make our children safe.
In fact it's very interesting that these diseases that they protect from, measles and mumps…
When I was a child we just got those diseases and it was fine, it was no big deal. They actually provide the person that catches the disease, you get lasting immunity, whereas the vaccine wears off. … the disease actually protects you from chronic disease later in life. There are studies that have been shown that people that have actually got the measles or the chickenpox have a much reduced risk to things like stroke and heart disease.

Very, very interesting that these viruses are doing doing something that we don't understand,
that are actually helping us to stay healthy long-term.
So I think we should not try to fight these viruses.

When you vaccinate against certain viruses you only protect against a specific one if the person actually develops antibodies that are needed. It's a very specific matching up that a particular antibody to a particular disease and you're leaving aside all the other viruses that could infect you. We are seeing things like Zika virus and all these other… the Lyme disease and all these things that are coming up now that we didn't used to have.

I think they're potentially a consequence of this mass vaccination campaign which is weakening our general immunity, our ability to resist all the other viruses while giving us a specific [inaudible] which is an antibody to attack a specific virus.

And so, what can happen is dangerous is that antibody can become [inaudible] …molecular mimicry where if you develop too many antibodies or too strong antibody reaction to a particular vaccine then you can start to attack your own tissues because there's peptide sequences in those proteins, in your natural proteins, that resemble a peptide sequence in the protein that you have become immune to.

So it's a very dangerous, I think, idea to think that you can get exactly that right amount of antibody reaction that would not cause harm to our antibodies but would be enough to fight off the virus. When, in fact, if you simply had a strong immune system your body would be able to clear the virus with a very minor disease and you would be fine.

The Dark Ages

Dr Stephanie Seneff:

[repeating question] So they're saying that you need to be in a setting where they're prepared for you to have a very bad reaction to the vaccine [inaudible].

That is really amazing that they have reached the point where they recognise that it could that dangerous that you need to be prepared of the danger, yet they still don't think that the danger is so bad that maybe you shouldn't get the vaccine at all.
I just don't understand how we got, how our society got to this point where we are so convinced that these vaccines are in the schedule are of a healthy society; I just don't understand how we got to that point.

Most of the humans in history, over the last hundred years of human history, we got by without vaccines. And so why this is all of a sudden now we have to have this vaccine agenda to be part of our society… I think we just really need to recognise that it's not necessary.

And I think we can't do it suddenly, unfortunately, I think that it would be quite disastrous if we just suddenly stopped vaccinating because of all the situation that we're in right now with the vaccines being, having gotten in the way of the disease process.
We're going to have to transition to this phase back to the place where we were before vaccines.

Hopefully it's going to happen naturally with more and more people getting suspicious and deciding not to vaccinate and then eventually reaching the point where we can get back to where we were before without the vaccines.

I think the vaccine concept is a broken concept.

Vaccine Injury

Dr Stephanie Seneff:

…so there's certainly, I think the vaccine industry is working behind the scenes to try and get more and more kids vaccinated because they make money when people get vaccinated.

And I think there's the community that's opposing vaccines is getting stronger, much stronger, particularly I think with the Vaxxed movie and Vaxxed bus a lot of activism on Facebook and whatnot.

I think the message is getting out, hard to know what percentage of the population is quietly against vaccines but doesn't speak up. It's really hard to know.

I do think we need to do something, we need to do something big, to reduce the injuries that are happening to these kids at the moment.

We just can't afford to lose that many children to injury due to vaccines.

I think it's an irrational analysis of the risk-benefit ratio for certain vaccines definitely make it clear that we should just eliminate them from the schedule.

Flu Vaccine

Dr Stephanie Seneff:

I find it really amazing how much we've been pushing the flu vaccine in America and I don't know whether the same thing is going on in Australia.
These days, you know, it's just amazing how many opportunities you have to give the free vaccines. There's just so much pushing on people to make sure you get your flu vaccine this year.

I personally have never had a flu vaccine; I don't intend to ever get one. And I cannot remember the last time I had the flu, it's been decades.

You know, it's really truly amazing that I think when you get that vaccine every year, you actually are increasing your susceptibility to flu because of this disruption of your innate immunity; so your body's ability to actually fight off the flu gets reduced and the only way you have to fight off the flu is by that antibody you've developed because of the vaccine and it may not match the strain that takes off this year.

So I think the flu vaccine is a ridiculous vaccine, personally, I don't there's a reason why anyone should get it.

Herd Immunity

Dr Stephanie Seneff:

The problem of course is that we have this false belief that we have to get this very high coverage in order to get herd immunity.
We have all this chatter about herd immunity and people get obsessed on vaccinating everybody.
And I think it's just amazing to me how the doctors don't seem to mind anymore. I found a paper from the 1950s I think it was, might've been 1960s, an abstract where they were saying if your child has eczema, that not only should that child not get vaccinated, but none of their siblings should get vaccinated either. That was the policy back then.

Today, a child has eczema, you know, a very bad case of eczema, no problem, go ahead and get your vaccine.
I think it's shocking that the paediatricians are not more concerned about these kinds of symptoms as evidence that this child is going to end up with an autoimmune reaction to that vaccine if you're not very careful.

So, I think there are ways, certainly obvious ways, from the child's… if they're already sick, to say no, no vaccine. I think we should be much more cautious about only vaccinating kids who appear to be very healthy. Even kids who get a lot of disease, kids who catch everything that comes around, that's evidence of a weak immune system, so don't vaccinate them. I mean, basically, you know, be careful who you vaccinate.

It would be an excellent policy, I think, to be much more liberal about a medical exemption would be an excellent way to go in the near-term, to start to move towards a different view towards how to protect, you know, immune protection.


Dr Stephanie Seneff:

There are many, many papers that show, for example, the toxicity of aluminium that is extremely clear and mercury as well. Mercury is extremely toxic and, in fact, and some good papers have come out recently showing, for example, that the ethyl mercury - that's the form of mercury in the vaccine - is actually, I believe it was something like 60 times more toxic [inaudible] 60-fold lower level than methyl mercury to the brain.

And the rumour had been that the form of mercury in the vaccines was not toxic compared to methyl mercury.

It was a complete reversal of the truth.

MMR during Pregnancy

Dr Stephanie Seneff:

Yes, I hear that all the time, it's such an easy statement to convince people that they want you to know that even though you don't think your child needs the vaccine, your child needs it for my child.
This kind of notion that these… that's one reason why people get so angry at the antivaxxers because they think that they're putting their own child at risk.

I don't think that herd immunity has been proven.

I don't think that they know exactly what percentage need to be covered before [inaudible] happens.
In fact, the vaccines are wearing off so we're getting into a nasty, nasty situation where certain vaccines, for example, the measles where they've been finding that the measles vaccine doesn't survive, your resistance fades year by year, so that you have to keep on getting booster shots, maybe you have to keep on getting booster shots all your life.

We're having a situation now where young women are getting pregnant and they don't want [inaudible] the measles because they didn't get the disease, they got the vaccine.
Now their baby becomes susceptible to measles in its first year of life because that's when the baby is supposed to get the antibodies from the mum, through the mum's milk, and those antibodies are not there because the mother was not adequately protected by the vaccine where she would have been if she'd caught the disease.

So we're now setting up, through the vaccination program, setting up a vulnerability among our most vulnerable population which is that first year of life, that's when if you get the measles it can be very serious.

So nature has set up a protective mechanism that worked for many generations that we are messing up because we're getting, doing all this vaccination and now we have infants that are vulnerable to measles and you can't vaccinate them because their immune system is not mature.
And you can't vaccinate the mother during pregnancy because the MMR vaccine has been shown to be very dangerous during pregnancy. So you're really stuck in that situation, simply stuck.

And I think that this fact alone is a good argument why you should not be giving a measles vaccine; it's just messing up the entire timing of the natural process is supposed to work.

Vaccine Shedding

Dr Stephanie Seneff:

[Tasha David repeating audience question about vaccinated kids shedding viruses]

Shedding viruses, yes I know, I've been reading about that, that's really fascinating because it's really interesting to think that it might actually be the vaccinated kids that are spreading disease rather than the unvaccinated we always hear so much about, complaints about the people who are not getting vaccinated therefore there's this outbreak of measles or chickenpox or something.

Whether the unvaccinated are actually causing the outbreak is a very interesting question. I've been, I've heard that many of the polio cases - cases of polio still remaining in the world - are the vaccine strain of the virus.
So that certainly suggests that that strain is able to infect and cause the disease.

I think vaccine shedding is a real phenomenon and that it could very well be what's happening.

Big Pharma

Dr Stephanie Seneff:

It's very difficult to get papers published. It's even difficult to find support financially, financial support for studies. There's a concerted effort to try to prevent researchers even from discovering that vaccines are dangerous.

Despite that, there have been many papers published, often in the less prestigious journals, because the prestigious journals are being… are refusing to publish these things because of the support they're getting from the pharmaceutical industry. So there's a lot of issues with the money situation, that the pharmaceutical industry is making a lot of money from the vaccines.

And it's in their interest to protect their product.

And so they have ways of preventing that information from getting distributed.

The media folks are afraid to speak about it and the publishers are afraid to publish the articles, so it's all very, very difficult.
The brave people who are doing the research that are showing that they're toxic are struggling to survive financially and struggling to get their work published.

So I think this is really… There's a controlled element in the society that's preventing the message from getting out.

Vaccine Manufacturing

Dr Stephanie Seneff:

This is where there's a tendency to want us to believe things that haven't been proven and a tendency to not want the research to be done that's going to prove the truth about what is happening.

So we have very brave folks who are doing that research and discovering those answers about the toxicity of the metals in the vaccines.

There was also an article that came out from Spain. Some spanish researchers analysed the vaccines for various toxic metals and they were shocked to find all kinds of metals in the vaccines, like cadmium and nickel, that were not supposed to be there, they are not intended ingredients but they were there somehow. And there's questions how those metaks got in there and that there's the very serious question of what will be the consequence of injecting those metals into the body.

I think it's very, very difficult to manufacture vaccines that are safe and I think that because the industry is not - in the United States the industry is not liable; we have the vaccine court which goes to the government - so the industry is not particularly concerned if their product is causing harm.

So they're becoming careless about the vaccination process.

Dark-skin and Autism

Meryl Dorey and Dr Stephanie Seneff:

[Response to audience question about african-americans being more likely to experience adverse reactions to vaccines]

Meryl Dorey:
…And I know that in the Australia, there was a doctor about in the 1960s and 70s, Dr Archie Kalokerinos, who found that 50% of the aboriginal children in the area where he lived in Collarenebri in western New South Wales, were passing away of SIDS after vaccinations.

And I know that there are also islander communities, like Samoan communities, which seem to be much more susceptible to vaccinations.

So do we have any idea why certain peoples would be more susceptible than others?

Dr Stephanie Seneff:
Yeah, I mean, I'm fascinated by that myself and I'm very aware of that, that dark-skinned people tend to have more, more likelihood of getting harmed by vaccines.
I don't have a good answer for it but I'm suspecting it might have something to do with the dark skin because - and again in the context of glyphosate - melanin is a skin-tanning agent, it's the colour in the skin is melanin, and melanin is one of the products of the shikimate pathway which glyphosate disrupts. And so one can expect it to potentially be deficient, it comes from tyrosine. And tyrosine is also a precursor to dopamine.

I've been fussing with a theory, this is totally a theory - and I do this all the time, brainstorming trying to figure out things - so dopamine and melanin both come from the same pathway and if that precursor is deficient, if that tyrosine is deficient, phenylalanine, I think its phenalalanine, no both of them I believe, no, it's aromatic amino acids, and the same aromatic amino acid that produces melanin also produces dopamine and so you can get a dopamine deficiency as a consequence of needing so much more of it to make the melanin in the dark skin that would make you more susceptible to dopamine deficiency and perhaps the dopamine deficiency is driving the autism.

This is just a sort of speculative idea that I have. I don't think that there are answers as to why these dark-skinned individuals are so much more susceptible but it's sort of, when you look at the obvious thing, which is the dark skin, this is a plausible possibility is the insufficient supply of dopamine which somehow then would need to be playing a role.

So, these things are very, very complicated, of course, all these neurotransmitters and we still have a very poor understanding of how they all interact and what they do, so it's a very big puzzle to try to really figure out autism.
But I'm suspecting that may be something to do with it is an increased vulnerability to glyphosate, which then makes them more susceptible to the vaccines for example, as well, because the glyphosate makes all the metals more toxic. And whether the dopamine actually, the dopamine can bind metals and melanin as well.

I mean, all of these things can bind metals so it could be that deficiencies in these metal-binding molecules it could help to clear the metals in the brain. And again driven by the glyphosate.

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