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Your Vaccination Options & SIDS

This is a transcript of Your Vaccination Options & Sudden Infant Death Syndrome seminar presented by Stephanie Messenger in 2012 on behalf of Healthy Lifestyles Naturally and Get Rid of SIDS Project.

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Stephanie: … and I've been studying the SIDS issue because nothing has been done about SIDS [inaudible] year in, year out, it just keeps going and going. So I've been studying that for ten years. Now I will tell you right upfront, I have no formal qualifications, so if that's a problem - if you've come to listen to someone who's got all the letters after their name, you can get your money back if that's an issue for you, but you do need to leave now. But I don't have any formal qualifications but that doesn't mean [inaudible] done properly because anyone can read medical journals and then research it, so you don't need strings of letters after your name. So I do encourage you all to do some research because I'm sure you're all bright enough to take in that information.

The first thing we're going to talk about is the sudden infant death syndrome. You might notice that they've never come up with a cause for that, they just keep going on about risk factors, risk factors. But really, the risk factors they've come up with are things like you shouldn't smoke near a baby. I mean, that's a pretty no-brainer anyway, everyone knows you shouldn't smoke near yourself, let alone smoke near a baby. They're also saying that we should be sleeping our babies on their backs, and I'm going to show you the data shows that nearly half the babies were sleeping on their backs when they died. So once again, it's irrelevant.

So, I got involved with the sudden infant death syndrome issue because I was actually given this book to read, it's called The Cot Death Cover-Up. And it's by a forensic scientist in New Zealand and he has been studying it for many, many years and he hooked up with a scientist in the UK who has also done a lot of work on it. Now the scientist in the UK's name is Barry Richardson and he was given access to the bedding which they impound - they used to impound that in the UK when babies passed away - and the autopsy samples. And he was able to marry those up and recreate the gases that they thought were implicated in the toxic gas theory. So it's been very, very well researched and, unfortunately, people like Queensland government are not interested. The SIDS and Kids organisation, not interested.

Now, the SIDS and Kids organisation started out as an organisation to help bereaved parents but, unfortunately, in my opinion, it's been hijacked by a lot of scientists and that's a real issue. It's very sad because if you call them and ask, and I encourage you to, call them and ask them about the toxic gas theory. They're going to tell you that "oh no, that's been disproven". But when you ask them to supply the data, the scientific data, to prove what they're saying, they can't, because it hasn't. So we're going to talk about that first up. And I'll just put these up, hopefully you can all see down the back there, because these are the facts that we have. We need to deal with the facts, not a whole lot of things that they're just making up. Now the Queensland government is one of the few governments who actually keeps very good data on all children's deaths every year. Ok? This is a report they put out and anyone can access this and download it off their internet. And it is actually on my website, getridofsids.com website. You have a brochure there called, hopefully you've all got a brochure, it looks like this. So all of this data that I'm going to tell you now is on this for you to take home. And I encourage you if you've already got children, or if you know someone pregnant, please pass this on.

So they do this report and it is a very thorough report. I'll just go by their figures from 2008-2009. 39 babies died in Queensland in that year. Now most people think that SIDS is just about a non-entity because it's not making the news anymore, but it isn't. 39 babies in that year, that's one every nine days. Last year, it was 52. So even higher. Ok, and they just have no answers for it at all. Close to 50% of the babies were co-sleeping with parents, ok, so you need to be aware of that, but we do have an answer for you if you desire to do that with your baby. We're not telling you what to do here today, we're just giving you ideas and hopefully spurring you on to investigate further. But 50% of babies were sleeping with a parent or an adult when they passed away. 17 babies were sleeping on their stomach, while at least 15 babies were sleeping on their back when they died. Now the reason I've got 'at least' is because when I did this poster all the autopsy results weren't there, and sometimes the position wasn't listed. These reports are compiled from the coroner's report and the police report, so they're very thorough. And it's only really been over the last six years that we have been able to get very thorough data on SIDS. The reason for that is prior to that a lot of.. if a baby passed away in a country area, just a country doctor would do a pretty slap bang job of the autopsy, they really didn't know how to do it correctly. So, but now that doesn't happen anymore, all the bodies come to Brisbane, in Queensland.

Now, we'll talk about the other couple of things in a moment. I do want to show you this graph, sorry, this table here because you might already have bits of opinions about what causes SIDS. Can I just get you to raise your hand if you think that vaccination causes SIDS. If you think that umm, well look, there's a whole lot of other… people often think, oh this is one cause, it could be a whole lot of causes. And the reason they think that is because they haven't come up with a cause yet in mainstream research. But this is the cot death rate for the first and later babies and babies of single parents in the United Kingdom from just as late as 2005. Now you'll notice here this says firstborn babies for those of you at the back that can't read, a second-born baby in the family dies at twice the rate as a firstborn baby. Third and fourth babies die twice the rate as second babies. And babies from solo parents die at a much greater rate because in the United Kingdom they're generally much more impoverished than in our lucky country. So, the reason this is significant is because this actually debunks every theory that they have about genetics, about vaccination even, I will tell you. And a lot of things go out the window when you start looking at this sort of data. Ok?

So, what you can do. Just let me tell you about the toxic gas theory first. So the toxic gas theory says that the chemicals that are in the mattresses, and mostly they're put in the mattresses for fire retardants and that's why SIDS actually only started out in the mid-50s. That's not to say that babies didn't pass away before from unknown causes because they did, because sometimes there's an underlying medical condition that hasn't been brought to light yet. But with all of these babies that died, the numbers that are dying, that didn't start 'til the mid-50s. And what happened in the mid-50s was they started putting fire retardants in mattresses. It all coincided. It's all in that book by the way, and we do have some copies of that in our library that you can access if you want to, have a good read. There's been a forensic scientist's book, there's quite a bit of heavy scientific narrative but he's also written it for the layperson as well. So, the chemicals are in the mattress and they're probably in every one of your mattresses [inaudible] unless you have an organic mattress. Now, some of… it's not just the chemicals that are put in to, by fire retardants, by the way, some of the stuffing in the mattresses has the chemicals in it naturally in the environment. So the three chemicals implicated are phosphorous, antimony, and arsenic. It's all on the brochure that I've given you, all this stuff, so you don't have to write away, unless you want to, but it's all in the brochure and my website as well. So, those compounds are put into the mattress and over time bodily fluids get inside the mattresses as well. So, a lot of men perspire a lot at night, so that is the bodily fluids that get into the mattress. While we're talking about babies, it can be dribble, it can be a bit of urine, sometimes it can be perspiration if you wrapped the baby up too hot and you've heated their rooms, that shouldn't be a big problem in Queensland [inaudible]. But, the third ingredient is the heat, ok. So, in your mattress now there's the bodily fluids and pretty much the compounds [inaudible] as well, but it can all live happily there until excessive heat is added and that's when the gas is generated. Now it doesn't need to be a lot of heat but when a baby has a fever, that is enough heat if the fever is ongoing, for the gas to be generated. Ok. Now Barry Richardson, the scientist in the UK, he was able to create that with the bacteria and the compounds he was able to generate the gas. And at the time, which was the early to mid-90s, he actually got a lot of publicity in the United Kingdom and the SIDS rate dropped because they stopped putting the chemicals in the mattresses. But then governments create these committees to do this, that and the other and then everyone forgets about it. But in New Zealand where Dr Sprott is, he had these covers commissioned - I don't sell the covers, you have to go online to his website, and he's actually a very wealthy man in his own right and he does not make anything out of these at all - he just travels New Zealand telling people so parents will listen. And the SIDS rate in New Zealand has dropped significant amongst the white New Zealanders. Unfortunately, the Maori people have a lot of traditions and things and they're not taking it onboard so much. So, I'm not sure how much they are, but $30 to $35 or something. And you just put it on the mattress and then you leave it on there. You never take it off. So even if a mattress is old you don't have to take it off. It's like a big bag. So you just slide the mattress in, pull the adhesive strip, put that on and then just clean it every now and then with warm soapy water. That easy. Now, there's been over 200,000 of these sold and not one death. Now, statistically, there's 50,000 babies are born in Queensland every year and 50 deaths last year, 51. So, statistically there should have been quite a few deaths on these covers, but there haven't been. So it's a very cost-effective thing to do because if you put it on an old mattress the gases can't escape, but if you put it on a new mattress the bacteria never gets in. Either way, ok? So, I just want to tell you too about the Queensland government's report. As I said, it's a very thorough report. But now, since I've met with them and focussed on the sleeping position, and the lady who I had the meeting with, with this department. She told me at the meeting that she is best friends with the head of research with the SIDS and Kids organisation. So, these reports are here for you to come and have a look at later. So the next year, they've eliminated that from the report. They're covering it up. So the report now is not worth the paper it's written on. You have a look at them, to compare them. That's a deliberate cover-up. Deliberate.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Yes. They've taken that out, they've eliminated the table on sleeping positions.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Well, they can't say it's not a fact because this is their report and they have to do the report off the coroner's and police reports, so it is fact. But they just eliminated the data from the next report so that people can't see what's really happening. So their whole campaign is based on babies sleeping on their backs and they try and put it out there that if you sleep your baby on it's back, it's going to be safe. But this says, that nearly half the babies who died were on their back. They don't want you to know that. Ok?

Has anyone got any questions about this toxic gas theory?

Audience: Why wouldn't they want the people to know about that?

Stephanie: I don't know. You'd have to ask them and I encourage you to do so. I love people to call them.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Absolutely. Adults and children do die from unknown causes sometimes, it's obviously not called SIDS.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: No, they don't. They only make them for babies cots but I do sell plastic by the metre. It's 4m wide, it comes in this big heavy roll, but I do just because some people want to sleep with their babies. So, whatever baby sleeps on should be covered and that does include your pushers and things, too, because unfortunately babies have passed away while mums been out shopping too, in their prams. So, and in car seats. So you really need to cover anything that babies are going to be sleeping on.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: No. No, because nearly all plastic contains phosporous, so you can't just use any plastic. So this plastic does not contain phosporous, it is food-grade polythene.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Well, with the cotton one the fluids can still get in, so that's not a barrier. And some of them have got sort of, some sort of backing on them that's sort of waterproof, but you don't know what chemicals are in there. So you don't want to be bringing the problem to the top of the bed, right?

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Yes, well, same deal. Pillows are a problem as well, but really, babies shouldn't be having pillows.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Yeah, well, latex ones are quite good but you've got to sus out what sort of latex it is because it's hard to find pure latex. But obviously latex beds and water beds, the bacteria can't get into it. So, you don't have a problem.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Ok, so you need to make sure that the coconut husks though, do not have phosphorous, right? Because many plant things have phosphorous, so tea tree bark has phosphorous, and some things have traces of arsenic just naturally in them. Ok? So if I was having a baby - and I'm not - I would keep whatever I was doing, I would be, if I was doing… even organic mattress I would be taking bit of stuffing out and having it tested. Independently tested because babies are too precious to mess around with.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Yes, and it's very thick. So there's no smothering can happen [inaudible] much too thick, it's actually a 150 microns. Sorry?

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Yeah, well, between the plastic and your sheet, you'd put some sort of barrier to make it. I'd suggest you put something like a super-sized bath sheet, the towelling ones, but make sure they're 100% cotton, ok, because some of them that come in from China now have got some polyester in our towels. So you've got to be really careful. Ok?

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Yes, well, that's right. I mean formaldehyde's nots implicated in the toxic gas theory, but yes, a whole nother thing, just like PVC. PVC outgases as well and a lot of cots have PVC on one side. Now, at the moment, to try and debunk the whole stuff that's happening, I'm doing a study into the usual sleeping positions of babies. So, I need to recruit 300 to 350 babies. They do need to be able to rollover because it's no use if they can't, usually they'll stay in the same position. And all you do is for 14 nights, and it doesn't have to be consecutive nights, but for 14 nights you just write down the position you put them to bed, the position they were in when you checked on them 'cause we know we all check on them enough, and if they wake up, once again when you put them to bed, and what they were sleeping in or on. Ok? And it's just done over 14 nights. There are instructions with it and there's a self-stamped addressed envelope for you to send it back. So anyone who'd like to participate in that, you just need to come… there is sheets down the back there on that table back there and you need to just fill in the baby sleeping position because it's all got to be done very well documented because when this hits they're going to be a lot of very unhappy people. Because, you know what, most people say to me, "oh my baby always sleeps on its stomach". That's what most people tell me. Even when they put them on their back, they say most babies sleep on their stomach. So, if that's true, let's have a guestimate that 75% of babies are actually sleeping on their stomach, but only half of the babies who died are on their stomach. So statistically, it could be more dangerous to sleep the baby on the back. Right? So that's what we're going to see if that's the case, that's what this study is about.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: SIDS is… look, it used to be two, four and six months primarily, now it's one, two, four and six months. And the reason that a lot of people think that it's vaccination is because that coincides with the times that babies are vaccinated. But what happens when babies are vaccinated is that they get a fever if their bodies are working correctly, they should get a fever to try and get rid of the toxic rubbish. Sorry, pre-empted what I'm going to talk about. So, look, a lot of… I would be happy to be able to say to you vaccination is the main cause of SIDS, I would be really happy to be able to tell you that, but I can't because I no longer believe that. I used to believe it, but now I have more information and I don't believe that anymore. And one of the crucial things that Dr Sprott points out is that if vaccination was a major cause of SIDS, the countries with the highest vaccination rate would have the highest SIDS rate, right? Not true. Per capita actually the US has a fairly low one, but I lived in America for nearly ten years and most of their mattresses are covered with PVC. Not good, but not implicated in the toxic gas theory. Ok? So, that's… look, that's not to say that babies don't die from vaccination because some of them do. But generally, a baby who dies from vaccination if they don't have anaphylactic shock and die then they're poisoned so it takes longer, ok, not just overnight like that. Ok? Alright, anymore questions about SIDS? Ok, come and have a look up here at all this stuff later on.

So, let's get onto my pet, my other pet subject, vaccination, because I know that's why most of you are here. Ok, this first thing, I won't put this up because I [inaudible] for a short time, but with the vaccination issue there are beliefs and there's knowledge. Now, we can all have a lot of beliefs about different things and the Macquarie Dictionary says a belief is that which is believed and accepted opinion. Remember that word, opinion. Knowledge is acceptance with facts, truths or principles as from study or investigation. Who's come here for a whole lot of beliefs? No? You're here for knowledge, right. So, I can't give you all the knowledge, I can just give you some and point you in the direction. So this is what we're going to be looking at today. We're going to discuss whether vaccines are safe, whether they're effective, and whether they're the only thing that you can do to prevent disease. We're going to touch on all of these things. And we need to look at whether these statements are facts or opinions and the vested interests at play. And the bottom one is one of the main one's, is do you believe that you can control, have control, over your health status. It's really important, I see a lot of people nodding their heads. Am I preaching at the converted here today? I hope there's some parents who really need information, need to come on the journey. So, once again I got my Macquarie Dictionary out and looked up what safe and effective mean. So, safe, free from harm, and effective, produce the expected result. Is there anyone here who has vaccinated one child? I have. Yep, ok, so when we're talking about the expected result what was, Megan, what expected result did you want when you did that?

Megan: That they won't get the measles.

Stephanie: Ok. So, and that's what most parents tell me. They vaccinate because they don't want the child to get the disease, ok. But that really is not what's happening at all. The disease… the whooping cough, for instance, we have a major whooping cough epidemic happening on the eastern seaboard, primarily, of Australia. It's all the way from Cairns all the way down to Melbourne. And I have seen on mainstream television three times that it's in, mostly in the fully vaccinated. They're even admitting it now because there's too big numbers to deny it anymore. I saw David Koch interviewing a doctor from Westmead Children's Hospital and he, the doctor said that yes, it is in the fully vaccinated. And David Koch said, "well what are parents to do then?" And the doctor said, "well they must make sure they're children are immunised." If David Koch was any sort of a decent journalist he would have said a 3-letter word, why. But he didn't.

So, let's look at ingredients first. Ok. Now, these are some of the ingredients of some of the vaccines.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: We're not going to go through all of these ingredients 'cause it will take too long but you can come and have a look at them yourself. All of these will be up here on the stage. But there's things like formaldehyde, latex rubber, MSG, aluminium, gelatine, polysorbate 80. There still is mercury derivatives in some of the vaccines, they try and say, no it's all been taken out but that's just not true. It is in some of them. So, on here you can read for yourself what some of these things are responsible for. So come and have a close look at this later. In the green parent's kit that I have over there, this sheet is in there as well, by the way. So, you do have that. So, yeah, it's really quite a cocktail of ingredients and is anyone who did vaccinate, have you ever read the product insert?

Audience: Yes.

Stephanie: Yes?

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Most of them do have formaldehyde in them. Yes, well, I'll just put this one up here. These are conditions attributed to vaccinations and they're listed according… a lot of this information's come directly off the product inserts. Ok, but I do encourage you to get them and have a look at them yourself. But there are some here, the actual ones, I do actually have quite a few doctor friends, by the way. It might surprise you but not all doctors do believe in vaccination. Ok? There's quite a few doctors who do not vaccinate children anymore because they've seen what it does. So, this is what a product insert looks like for those of you who haven't seen it. And these will be up here for you to have a look at. But when you start looking at one of these, the interesting thing is that most of it is written in doctors' language, yet this is written for the layperson, the consumer. But most of it is written in doctors' language so, clearly, they don't want you to really understand a lot of it. And it's written so small you'd have to have better than 20/20 vision, as well. So, really, have a look at this and draw your own conclusions. I'm just telling you what's happening here. But if you start reading these product inserts and just look at the things that you can actually decide for yourself, it's enough to scare the pants off you. Because this is what the drug company does want you to know but they figure that you're not going to read it anyway. That's why they put it out there, but legally they have to put it out there. Ok?

Now, in the mid-80s in the United States, one of the drug [inaudible] companies, called Connaught labs, produced a product insert and they put on there that Sudden Infant Death Syndrome is known to occur following administration of this vaccine. And the federal government in the US said, oh no, you've got to take that off there, you're going to scare parents not vaccinating. And they said, well if you're going to make us do that, we'll just stop producing that vaccine because we've been sued so many times, we're losing, and the bottom line is they're about profits, so that wasn't good. So, that's when the US government said, no, don't do that, what we'll do is make it compulsory to vaccinate in the US, but we'll set up a compensation fund and parents can't sue you or the doctors anymore, they can only apply to the compensation fund. And that is still in effect. That came in in 1986 and it's still in effect now. Now, they have paid out over two billion dollars. Now I know a lot of people in Australia think, oh yeah, but those Americans, they're sue happy and they get, you know, hundreds of thousand dollars. That's actually not correct, it's capped for different things. So it's actually a fairly small amount of money. But they keep running out of funds because there's so many people now applying through that. But even then, they only pay about one quarter of the cases… the applications, ever get paid out. Ok? So, have a read of your product inserts. That's the first port of call if you're thinking of vaccinating. Go to your chemist or to the doctor, they've all got it on their computers, so just ask them to download it out of the MIMS, M.I.M.S.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: And I've had a doctor with Brisbane City Council who told me that the reactions aren't even happening. And I… look, I nearly did just laugh in his face, you've got to be kidding. Of course they're happening in Australia. If they're happening in America and it's the same vaccine, which it is, it's happening here too. They just call it different things. For instance, if a child gets encephalitis, that's what goes on the chart. But it is a vaccine reaction. But it will never get put down as a vaccine reaction. If the child passes away from that, that's what goes on the death certificate. Ok? So, in Australia it's let's bury our heads in the sand about vaccine reactions. Very much so.

Audience: Can those be downloaded from the net?

Stephanie: Umm, not unless you can access MIMS, but you can download some but they're not the full thing. Ok? But you really want to get the full thing. So just go to the pharmacy and ask them if you can have a copy of everything on the childhood immunisation schedule. Just briefly on that, the difference between immunisation and vaccination, there's a big difference. But they used to call it vaccination years ago but now it's, of course called immunisation because they want it in your head that your child is immune. So it's all part of the brainwashing. So, you need to start calling it vaccination because that's actually what it is. Ok.

Now, one of the other problems is a lot of people, they never read that product insert. They have no idea when their child gets sick if it is a reaction. Now apart from the people who are medically trained and the nurses here, if I said to you, your child has otis media, is there anyone who knows what that is, from the general public?

[Audience inaudible]

Stephanie: Ear infections.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: It's on the product insert for a few of the vaccines as a side-effect. But noone knows that because they don't read the product insert and, as I said, it's written in doctors' speak. If they wanted you to know that your child's going to get ear infections from the vaccine, they would've written ear infections so you could read it, but they call it what their medical name is so that you don't know. If you read it, you wouldn't know unless you get your dictionary out and start really investigating it.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Ok, now I want to talk a little about the effectiveness and the clinical trials. This is something that I learnt only a couple of years ago from a doctor and he started talking about the clinical trial versus a field trial. Does anyone know what the difference is, except people who are medical? No, you wouldn't have a clue, and I didn't for many, many years. Now, when a drug company wants to put something on the market, they have to do a clinical trial. They'll often start in animals first, then they start with a group of healthy people and then they'll move into the age group that they want that is desired for that. That's called a clinical trial. Now, with vaccination, the clinical trial is to see if there is a raised antibody level in the majority of people. And if that is achieved, it's called effective. Right? That's it. Now, doctors think that vaccines are effective because it raises an antibody level in the majority of people. You've all heard about vaccines carrying a umm… oh, now it's just gone out of my head… when they have a rate that it doesn't protect.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: There's a certain percentage that it doesn't protect, right. They'll all say, ok well his one's 85% effective and this one is 93% effective. So they're only talking about the raised antibody level in that percentage of people. A field trial is what happens out in the broader community to see whether they actually got the disease that they were vaccinating against. We don't do field trials. We only do clinical trials. But whether they want to do a formal field trial or not, it is happening because the people are getting sick and are fully vaccinated. So it's an unofficial field trial, if you will. And at the end of the day, remember, your desired result from being vaccinated is that your child would not get the disease. So, they are getting the disease. But then what the medical industry like to tell you is that, oh yes, they would've got it much worse if they weren't vaccinated. Heard that one?

Audience: Yep.

Stephanie: Very hard to prove if that's correct or not.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: But I tell you what, you can prove that that isn't true, and I'll tell you how. Because the worst you can get anything is to die from it. Right? You can't get much worse. In 1998, there were four deaths in Queensland from measles. Three were fully vaccinated.

Audience: What year was that?

Stephanie: 1998. The fourth child was a two year old up in Cairns and Dr Hanna, who was the head of communicable tropical diseases or something at Cairns at the time, I'm not sure if he still is, he said that child wasn't fully immunised because it had an immuno-compromising condition already. So, but he also went on to say it was an Aboriginal child and, unfortunately, Aboriginal children get even more vaccines than what white children do. Because as soon as you have darker skin or slanty eyes, you get even more. It's just amazing. Oh dear. Anyway, so that's the difference. Now, a raised antibody level - if you can only remember one thing from this talk today, this is what I want you to remember - that a raised antibody level has never been scientifically proven to prevent a disease; they think it does. Look for the scientific proof, they say; want scientific proof of everything, look for that. I have challenged health minister after health minister, doctor after doctor, nurse after nurse, to supply the scientific data that proves a raised antibody level equals immunity, and I've been doing that for 20 years and no, I still haven't got a bit of paper.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: It's not really rocket science. They don't want you to know because we're just the silly public, ok. So, you can read this stuff. It's not really… you know, if you can't understand it, [inaudible] get a dictionary and start reading it, but really you need to. So, I want to show you some graphs now, and these are…

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Now, you've all heard how vaccinations got rid of polio and got rid of smallpox. You've all heard those myths? Right, they are myths. Vaccination did not get rid of polio or smallpox. In fact with smallpox, after they've done mass vaccination campaigns they usually have a spike in the disease. OK? So, really, look into the history of it; it has not got rid of anything at all. Most of the diseases petered out over time and then new bacteria and viruses take over and they'll be very virulent to start with, and over time they start to peter out again. That's just what happens in nature.

Look at this one, measles. This one is from, what year, this is quite an old one, 'cause measles vaccine came in in 1970 in Australia. Look how it already, mortality was down before measles vaccine came in. Now we've got quite an epidemic happens every three years or so, but I wonder if that's from vaccinations spreading it around.

Hib vaccine. This is when the vaccine came in; already dropped significantly.

Audience: What year's that from?

Stephanie: This one's 1960 to 2006. This one is from 1910 to 1979. You do have to go back in history a bit because the government's literature that they want you to see is they narrow in on a very small period of time so you don't get the full picture. These give you the full picture. Ok?

This one is tetanus which is not contagious anyway. But, you know, most tetanus in Australia is from rose thorn scratches in elderly people. And tetanus, by the way, is to do with poor wound hygiene. So really work on the wound naturally and you'll be fine.

Whooping Cough. Ok. Now this one is from 1870 to 1970, a hundred years span. This is when the main vaccination program started, this second one here. Ok? Look at how much it had gone, more than 90%. So you've got to ask yourself, what got rid of the 90%?

Polio. A lot of elderly people say to me, "oh dear, you didn't live during the polio epidemics, so you really don't know what you're talking about." Well, perhaps you don't. How about having a look at this graph. Ok, this is when the vaccine came in. It was a very good year, it was 1956, when I was born. But look at how much polio had already gone.

Audience: Are there any copies of these at all?

Stephanie: They're in an e-book by Greg Beattie and you can purchase it from him and if you want to, I don't know how much it is, and we've got it in our library [inaudible] if you're a member. So, yes, I think it's called "Fooling Ourselves" or something, but Greg Beattie has done an enormous amount of research, a very intelligent man.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: So, let's talk about the vested interests to do with vaccination. So of course, everyone has vested interests whether you like it or not, you've all got vested interests. But let's just focus on what the vested interests of the drug companies, the governments, and the doctors are, 'cause they're the main people that profit very handsomely from vaccination. So of course, drug companies, like a multi multi billion dollar industry; we don't have to look far to see what their vested interests is. It's money, money, money. And also, some of those scientists who work for the drug companies, there's a lot of prestige as well, ok. I know a few scientists and they're the biggest egomaniacs, but not to say that they all are, I'm just saying the ones I know, certainly are.

But let's look at what doctors vested interests are. Ok. First thing, they get consultation fees when you take your child to the GP. They get incentives from the government; do you all know that? That's why every visit to a doctor is now an immunisation opportunity. It's written in their documentation. So, if they've got 90% of their clientele on their books age appropriately vaccinated, they get a very nice little bonus. I think it's about $3.50 per child, per quarter. Very profitable. Right?

Audience: Every quarter?

Stephanie: Every quarter.

Audience: Every quarter?

Stephanie: Per quarter.

Audience: Per year?

Stephanie: Per year. Per quarter, per year. I've got the data up there, I downloaded it off the site this morning, so it's up there if you want to have a look. They also get money for reporting that the child's been vaccinated to the government register. They get paid, as well. Right? Now that was $6 a shot, I'm not sure, I haven't kept up with how much that is, but when it came out it was $6 a shot. That's not too shabby when they jab a child with four just about every visit. Then they get… what else do they get… they get funding from drug companies if they want to do some research. And they get gifts from the drug companies. And they also get to go on free junkets, usually in some lovely place like Port Douglas, to do a day's study or something and then have a week off.

Ok. Governments. Governments have vested interests as well. Now put your hand up if you believe the government operates in your best interest as a citizen.

Audience: [laughter]

Stephanie: Well, not one person believes that. Fantastic. You're really doing well, guys, 'cause that's a big one. I have people say to me, "it's not harmful or the government wouldn't do it."

Audience: [laughter]

Stephanie: [inaudible]. Anyway, so of course, political parties are heavily funded by drug companies, as are medical universities, by the way. Ok. And they need the approval from the drug companies, and the medical boards, and all these people with vested interests to continue to be popular. Because we do know that politicians do want to be popular. So, that's their vested interest. There have been a few politicians who have stood up over the years and spoken out and they've been found in compromising positions over the next months and it's all splashed on the front of the news.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Some people ask me, aren't you worried, do you check your car for bombs when you get in? But look, you can't live like that, you can't worry about it. So, who pays for all this? You do, the consumer does. You pay for it when you go to the consultations, you pay for it in the medications you have to give to your children after they're vaccinated because they very often end up on antibiotics and all sorts of things, and you pay for it in your taxes because immunisation's free.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: So we, the consumer, always ends up paying. So, people then ask me, why do I think that vaccination continues? And one of the big things is people have faith in the medical industry. But the other thing is, is they use fear very, very well against you. It is totally fear based and they use it against mothers when you first… before you've even had your baby. And then when you're in that hospital it's just, you know, well your baby's going to die if you don't do this. I have heard it, time and time again. So, it's a great advertisement for home birth. But anyway, some people just can't go down that road, but you've really just got to get very strong and very educated and get very strong.

Now, it amazes me that people still have faith in the medical industry. Because, you know, in Australia between 17 and 19,000 people die every year for causes other than what they went to a hospital for. Now… do you all know who Brendan Nelson is? He used to be the head of the AMA in New South Wales. And when that story broke, it was all over the front pages about, I dunno, about 8 or 9 years ago, and he was on A Current Affair and he reassured the public. He told us that we needn't worry because we have one of the best health systems in the world. Do you feel better now? No. And you know what the very sad thing about that, is a lot of those people would've waited in a queue to get into that hospital, only to be killed by something else. Ok? So, that's one thing.

Doctors have gone on strike twice in the world; once in Los Angeles, once in Israel. Both times, the mortality…

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Stephanie … gurus in America to find out why America's childrens are the sickest children in the world. Took them two years, they were so bright. And you know what they found out? America's children were under-nourished. That's why they were sick. They're the most highly vaccinated population in the world and they eat the worst food in the world. And that's what they found after two years; they were the sickest population because they were under-nourished. I lived in America for nearly ten years and I ended up eating nearly twice as much as what I did before I went there, because the food just doesn't sustain you, it's just so hollow of good nutrients. So, you've got to be very careful.

Ok. And obviously the problem is that doctors treat symptoms. They don't really get to the cause of what a problem is, they just treat the symptoms. So if you are really interested in health I'd encourage you - while you're healthy, not when you're sick - when you're healthy to find quality natural therapists. They're around, there's some fantastic natural therapists out there. So, you need to go and find them, and interview them and talk to them to see what they're going to do and what their philosophies are.

[Audience discussion]

Audience: Have you seen the David Icke ... ummm....

Stephanie: I've seen some of David Icke's stuff.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: OK. We're going to get on to start talking about this side of it. We haven't finished with the vaccination talk, we're going to talk about this side of it.

Ok. Now just because you've heard something doesn't mean it's true. Number one, that doesn't mean it's true. Doesn't mean if it's come out of a politician's mouth or a doctor's mouth or on the media, it doesn't mean it's true.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: You can find out. You can go onto sites [inaudible], but you can go into that hansard section and try and find out. I will try and find all of this out because I haven't heard about that going through, and I don't think it has because, I think, we do have people watching things.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Yeah but listen, you gotta not ... don't confuse what's happening in America to what's happening here.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Yeah, well, we'll be checking on that. But right now, as far as I know - and I do keep up with most of it - this is what the choices are to do with vaccination, at this time. You can follow the recommended government medical schedule for vaccination using a drug company product, produced vaccines and basically hope for the best. Now, if you do that, this is what you will do to a baby by the time it is 12 months of age. Ok? This is the injections that a baby has up to 12 months of age. Youi can come up and examine it closely later, it will be up on this stage, but I don't want any kiddies to get hold of it.

Audience: How many are there?

Stephanie: There's about 20 there, plus… 20 injections plus 3 [inaudible] which is given orally.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: The flu shots aren't. This is just what's on the schedule, right? This is not what… Some parents are doing more than this because their fear is so great. Right? This does include the vitamin K injection as well, which is not a vaccine but it is an injection, so I have included that one. But that's what you would be doing to your child and mostly that's four needles every visit. And you know, they hold them down. Someone told me who had their child vaccinated, they hold them down, one on each limb. The trauma that those children must go through.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Look, what I do… I do criticise the medical industry. I will tell you, I do have some very good friends who are doctors so there are some wonderful doctors out there, you've just got to know where to find them. There really are… they are few and far between, but look, at the end of the day we've got the medical system that we've put up with and, in a way, created as well. Because people go to a doctor and what do they want? Every time they want to walk out with a pill. They need to stop that mentality. It's ridiculous. So, doctors now are stopping giving antibiotics so frequent.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Ok. These are just what's on the schedule right at the moment but from July 1st there's more going on the schedule. This is up until July and I downloaded this. You can get it off the internet.

Audience: What they could possibly add?

Stephanie: They're coming up with new things all the time. There are so many vaccines in play…

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: It is not going to stop, it is going to be more and more, ok? They have many more in the works.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Yeah, well, it's a really big picture but have a look at this. This is actually up to 65 years of age because now their plan is every single person gets a jab every year, whether it be the flu vaccine, whooping cough, hepatitis. They want adults, they've gotta get you adults all into this as well. Ok?

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Money. More profits.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Well not only that, in one of the medical journals a few years ago, probably six years ago now, there was an article that said if you have five flu injections five years in a row, it increases your chance of Alzheimer's tenfold. Alzheimer's is now in… you'll hear 35-40 year olds getting Alzheimer's now. Our health system is going to collapse, there's no two ways about it because we have autism and Alzheimer's in epidemic proportions and they are both high care. So, it is just not going to be able to cope with that.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: We didn't talk about, autism is a big one. You'll hear people say, oh no, that's been disproven. I would swear but there are children in the room, but you get the picture. It has not. Autism, there have been many studies that have duplicated Professor Wakefield's work to show that it is vaccination. There are many studies. There's a book here… this book is written by a doctor who has a medical practice, there's thirty different clinics around Chicago. And they do not vaccinate, in America or in the land of the free where it's compulsory, they don't vaccinate. So nearly all the children who attend this clinic, these clinics, are not vaccinated. And there is no autism in the unvaccinated. There are a few cases of autism in children who were vaccinated before they started coming to that clinic. It's all documented here in his book. It's an excellent book written by a doctor.

Ok. Let's go back to what you are able to do. You can selectively vaccinate. Some people say, "oh look, I'm most scared of whooping cough so I'm going to do that one." Now most people think you can't get them separately, but you can. The doctor might have to order them in and it's a bit of a hassle and most of them say, no we can't do it, because they either don't know or they don't want the hassle. But they can. But that's what parents are saying to me, "oh no, I'm most scared of that one, so I'm going to do that one." Is that a good reason to put a whole lot of toxins into your baby because you're scared? No. That's rubbish. So, but that is an option.

The next option is homeopathic prophylaxis. Put up your hand if you know about homeopathy? A lot of people, right. So there is a homeopathic kit that you can purchase. I would encourage you to look at Isaac Golden's kit if that's the one that you're interested in. And down on the table on the back here at the left there are some cards from a homeopath who does [inaudible] vax kits. Her name is Rachael Gleeson and she's in Brisbane. So [inaudible] she sent some brochures and cards. I'm not going to go into homeopathic prophylaxis because it's quite complicated; I don't have a complete understanding of it myself, so I'm not even going to do it the injustice that it probably doesn't deserve. I will tell you that about half of the homeopaths don't believe in it. So if you are going to a homeopath you need to call them and find out if they do believe in homeopathic prophylaxis.

Audience: Why is that?

Stephanie: Why don't half of them believe in it? Because it goes against what homeopathy's about which is treating like with like when you've been exposed. Ok? But so you can go to a homeopath and get a remedy once if you feel that your child has been exposed. So that's an option as well.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Yes, but we've got another answer for you here a little bit later. So hold on. So the next choice here is to create a naturally healthy lifestyle which boosts the immune system. This includes quality natural foods, adequate rest, clean water, fresh air, sunshine, exercise and a loving and supportive and nurturing environment. A strong immune system will always be your greatest asset for health. So whether you do this, this or this, you still need to do this anyway. Right? So, why bother? I did this with my three children and they did not get any childhood diseases. I failed miserably as a mother because I wanted them to have childhood diseases. Because I've come full-circle with this and understand the benefits of childhood diseases. Obviously we do not want a little one, like that little one there on your shoulder, getting whooping cough. So you want them to, it's good for them to catch diseases at the right time as designed by nature. Ok? And there is a right time designed by nature.

So the last choice here is to do nothing. You can just be a slack parent and do nothing. But you can just about guarantee your child will get all sorts of things because if you don't keep their immune system in good condition, they're open to getting different things. Ok? So always remember it's the condition of the immune system that determines the severity of disease and whether you will get the disease; not your vaccination status. It has nothing to do with it because we know that because most of the diseases are in the fully vaccinated.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: But that's not to say that you can't boost it. You can. So, we're not going to go into all that, there's enough health talks and things from really good qualified people that can tell you about how you can go about boosting immune systems. Alright. Any more questions?

Audience: [mostly inaudible - question about yellow fever]

Stephanie: Well, there's a couple things you can do. It's the same if you go to the Amazon basin. And by the way, can we just touch on travel vaccines very, very briefly. If you are a travelling person, as I am, there is two different terminologies. There's recommendations and requirements. Right now in the world there's only one requirement and that is yellow fever for most of Africa and the Amazon basin. Everything else is a recommendation. So you can say no, thank you. What you can do, you have a couple of choices. You can go from Africa, go to another country that will allow you in and then come home. They look at where you've just been the last three weeks or something. Ok, so that's an option, that's what I would do if I was going to Africa. There's a lady whose boyfriend lived in the Amazon basin and so she was backwards and forwards all the time to Brazil and she entered once and they pulled her up and said, "where's your yellow fever card" and she said, "no, I'm homeopathically done" and that immigration guy let her through. So the next.. about 3 weeks later, same deal, and the next one said, "no, we don't recognise that." So she was told she had to go into house quarantine for 10 days which she obviously agreed to [inaudible] and she got through that way.

Now in regard to school, it is not compulsory to be vaccinated, so therefore you can go to school with no vaccines.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: They've all got a policy already, right. After Greg Beattie, who's the guy who wrote the book the graphs came out, he was the fellow whose children were thrown out of Maroochy Shire Council's childcare centre back in 1996 or something - I can't remember the exact date but way back - and that's when the health department actually formulated a policy, put it to childcare centres and they could adopt their own or take this one, and of course most of them just took that one because who has time. So, but they have to allow for conscientious objection. Ok? So you do need to get your conscientious objection filled out and it does have to be signed off by a doctor. So we do have doctors who will sign them. We do have doctors who will sign them. I will not give you the names now, you'll need to call me and tell me what area you're in and I'll give you the name of a doctor and a phone number, and that's it. I'll never send it out to everyone. So that's what you need to do. For school you don't even need that. School's compulsory.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: They have to allow for conscientious objection form. They're not telling you that you can have a conscientious objection form. The 1997 Immunisation Act states that you can not be financially penalised for not vaccinating your children. Remember that. It's 1997 Immunisation Act.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Well, this could very well happen. Look, we've been talking about that this is a possibility for many years. And we have... there are ways around this. For instance, you can join a religion that doesn't vaccinate because we think very clearly that they will have to allow for religious exemption. There is such a religion if you've got your pens handy: www.churchofcl.com Go onto that site and you can download a membership form and do what it says. Ok? I'm not going to tell you anymore about that, but that's available to you.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: I'll tell you an interesting [inaudible], people who vaccinate are the ones who are fearful of disease. And mostly people who don't vaccinate are not really that fearful anymore. And the reason for that is because you've got educated. And education conquers fear.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: You know what, it depends on how you answer their questions. When I fill out a form… my children are now all finished school, I've got one or two in university but when they were going through public school in… when they were young, I would write on the form "toxic garbage, keep it away from my children or I will sue you". Now, do you think that they were going to ever approach me about anything? No. One headmaster, once, after I was at that school for quite a lot of years - it was before the measles campaign went around in 1998, they jabbed everyone in primary school - and I wrote that on the form. And I was at school because I was at the school a lot, and the headmaster said, "oh, you know, can you come and talk to me" and I said ok, and I was actually reasonably good friends with this fellow up until this day, this particular day, and he said "You need to stop writing that on the form." And I said, "well, gee, [inaudible] how to fill out a form?" He said, "Oh no, I'm not doing that." And I said, "well it does sound a lot like that." And he said, "Oh no, the staff in the… the admin staff get really upset when they read your thing." And I said, "well, perhaps you need to get them some help because they clearly have an issue." I don't have an issue, they have the issue. Not my issue. So, he said, "Well, if you ever write anything like that on a form again, I'm going to take action." I said, "You know what, I love publicity. You go ahead." And I kept writing on it and he never did a thing because they're all full of empty threats. So if you are very firm about your decision you don't have to worry about getting flak. And even if you do… look, I'll be honest, I've lost a few friends over the years, so what? I'll make hundreds more. Really lovely, like-minded people. Really lovely people who have come forward who are like-minded. And that's what happens. When you speak up you might lose some dead wood but you actually gain some really lovely people into your life who you can be totally yourself and speak your mind. Ok? Any more questions?

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: You don't have to have it for school, you have to have it for childcare if you're getting rebates, but most childcare centres now just require you to do it.

Now, I want to tell you a story that happened here in Brisbane to do with a conscientious objection form. On the 7th of October last year, I got a phone call from a father whose wife had just given birth that morning at Royal Brisbane Hospital. And he - very, very smart young man, [inaudible] he had to work at the last minute - very, very intelligent, well-read, very well-spoken, and he got the conscientious objection form - he didn't need to - he got it, he got it signed and had it there for when his wife was giving birth. And of course they came at them about that it said there that no hepB and no vitamin K. So the doctor came and said, "well, no, no you need to it because your wife is a hepB positive person." And he said, "No, I've actually researched this at length and the transmission to mother to baby is very, very rare and even if it does happen, it's very treatable. So, no, I've researched it." I mean, he came to see me and he had this much wad of papers that he'd researched and copied and had there. Anyway, they said 'no, no you've got to do it' and he said 'no, no, I'm not'. Anyway, at 10 o'clock that - the baby was born I think at 5am - at 10 o'clock he ended up on my telephone; I don't know how. But I said to him, "How's your wife feeling." And he said, "Oh, she's really good." I said, "She's up and about, really good birth?" "Yep, up and about." I said, "Good. Get the baby, go for a walk around the corridors with all your belongings and leave. And do it as quickly and quietly as possible. Get out of there." That would be my advice. That's what I would do if I was there in that situation. Anyway, he decided that no, he was right, so he was going to argue with them. He argued until 10 o'clock at night, when they finally allowed him to leave the hospital with his wife and new baby. And, so, but anyway he was thinking, oh ok that's good, I'm out of there, all good. The next day, at 3 o'clock in the afternoon, a message was left on their answering machine saying that they need to be in court by 4.30. One and a half hours to be in court. So, he thought, right, that's it. They were out for a couple of hours, they got home at 4 o'clock. So he had half an hour to be in court. So he gathered up all his papers and right, right, this is great, I'm going to court and, you know, it'll all be good. Gets there, they've already made up their mind. No, that baby is to be back at the Royal Brisbane within one and a half hours or we will send DoCS to grab the baby. This is what's happening. So, they complied because he didn't know what else to do. No legal representation, tried to get it adjourned so that he could get legal representation, couldn't. This is the Queensland High Court. I wish I was joking. Anyway, he came to see me and he said, "Look, oh well, at least they didn't say I had to have the other two doses." I said, "You need to move. Move, change your phone, change your email, go bush, because they have to do these hepB's in a certain time frame." I said, "Get out of here; move to New South Wales." He told me he works for himself, he can work anywhere, and he's got friends in northern New South Wales. I said, "Go." Anyway, do you think he followed my advice? So, they came to his door two months later and issued him a writ to attend court either the same day or the very next morning. No time to get any legal representation. Ended up in court, they mandated that the baby have two more shots. So, conscientious objection forms - don't hang your hat on them too much. I mean, they are a tool.

Audience: When was this, when did this happen?

Stephanie: October the 7th last year the baby was born.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Excellent. Would you just stand up and repeat that again, what you do?

Audience: I said, "This is not for debate, ok, I'm not debating. This is my choice and this is what happens. I've made my choice. I'm not immunising my child."

Stephanie: [inaudible] And what they do, they don't usually just give up with one person. Then they'll send another one and they just keep sending people time and time again and to try and wear you down and unless you are very strong - and I would encourage you to not even… you just point out their behaviour. You say, 'Gee, I'm feeling like [inaudible]', so straight away they have to start thinking about their behaviour. It takes it away from the issue; it's about their behaviour. Right? And call it what it is, it's bullying.

Audience: It is.

Stephanie: So, that's what they're doing to people in hospital.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: It's really difficult though when you get into the hospital system because your rights can be taken away very easily.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: [inaudible] … but they can, they just can say 'no, this is what we think is in the best interests of the child and if you don't go along with it we'll call DoCS.' And if you don't comply then it ends up in the court system.

Audience: Is there anyway that fellow could have [inaudible]

Stephanie: Yes. He should have gone bush. Straight away.

Audience: [inaudible]... a legal way that you're aware of?

Stephanie: Well, I don't know. Look, it's the system's rigged. This is not a fair system. It is rigged. So, it doesn't matter. A doctor just can stand there and say something and their voice - and they could be the most ignorant, arrogant doctor in the world - and it wouldn't matter if they didn't know [inaudible], they would still win because the magistrate thinks that they're gods.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: If your primary thing is to protect your children then sometimes you've just got to cut and run.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: You give people [inaudible] …government you give people as least information as you ever can. You never offer any information that's not asked for and even when it is, you just give them the minimum. Ok? But yeah, you've gotta really man up, woman up, when you're dealing with these people.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: It is very insane, it really is. That's why home births… there's so many more home births now. There's so many more people home schooling. Right? Because you get to see what you're children are being fed with their minds and everything.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Well, vaccination's bad in New Zealand, but they make it really difficult.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: I get the newsletters from the groups over there and it's pretty militant. It's totally as militant as here but because we're spread out over a big area we maybe don't feel it so much but as far as birthing, yeah, New Zealand's the place to birth. It really is.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: But most people who have home births are totally responsible. And that's what vaccination's about, let's get back to that. Vaccination. People who don't vaccinate, they take responsibility for their children's health. When you do vaccinate and I have done it once, you shift the responsibility onto that. But it's false. It's just your mind playing a game. Right? So, the responsibility is the parents, whether you like it or not. Any more questions?

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Ideally it's good to birth not too far from a hospital if you're going to do a home birth.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: You can let the hospital know that you are having a home birth. That's what they recommend. It's all being debated at the moment on television [inaudible] I saw them really boohooing her on television yesterday on a few shows but the thing is, that if a baby dies at home with a home birth, it makes the news. But all babies who die in hospital never make the news. They are happening, they just don't make the news. Mothers die from, in child birth still, in hospitals, and one died recently in a home birth but the autopsy is not conclusive that it had anything to do with the home birth anyway. But they're hanging their hat on it because they want you fearful. It's all about fear. They've got to keep the fear level up so that you will be compliant.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: But I'll just tell you one thing about fluoride, if you boil it in a kettle, it intensifies.

[audience gasps]

Stephanie: I recently learnt that, so if you're going to boil it in the kettle, make sure you're using filtered water.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Yes, yes, did you hear what the doctor just said? They're now pushing for parents and grandparents to get vaccinated for whooping cough in particular, if there's a new baby in the family.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: So, it's very sad. I tell you, I've had so many grandparents on my telephone crying because they understand how bad vaccination is. They don't want to poison their bodies just to see their grandchildren and they don't know what to do. So I've just recently made up a kit for grandparents. Ok, it's "Grandparents Time to Take Action Kit". Ok? So there's quite a lot of information in here but I've actually taken you on as grandparents on a journey - ideally before you become grandparents - but I know some of you are already there but if you start working on your children's partners; I do this now with my children's partners. I don't zero in on vaccination the first time I meet them. But I start sussing out what they know about health in general. And, you know, for instance you can do little things like when they're at your home if they go to get a glass of water from the tap you can drop the seed right then, "Oh no, we don't do that, it's full of fluoride and lots of chemicals. Here, take this good filtered water." Right? So it's just planting seeds all along the way in a non-threatening way that opens them up to you, so that when they do become pregnant then you have a better chance of getting more information into their heads. Because when people are pregnant with their first babies they're generally wanting to be very, very responsible parents. So they do investigate a lot of things. So they are much more open. After they've had one baby, they're only about as quarter as open. Right? So you gotta zero in when they're pregnant but I've put in here different times to do things and the materials to do it all with is in this kit. Ok? And there's lots of links to… you've got to feed them a little bit at a time, you can't give it all to them. So, like, just before they're due to go and have their baby you'd want them to see this one particular clip called "Ian's Voice". Right? And that's a baby who had the hepB vaccine in the hospital and unfortunately passed away, but there's photographs on that site. It's pretty horrific but they should see it. So, I'm just feeding them all the way along in this kit. They're $7.50 and I think once you have a look at what's in there you'll know it's really good value. There's postcards I've just had printed. I'd love to be able to give these away but I just can't because obviously they cost us quite a bit to do.

Audience: What about stickers?

Stephanie: No. You don't want people vandalising your car. They will, they're a bunch of loonies these people who vaccinate.

[laughter from audience]

Stephanie: [inaudible] This one's a bit in your face but it's a fairly newborn baby with the needles in it. And there's really good information on the back of that. And this one is interesting, it says "If you mixed mercury, aluminium sulphate, ammonium sulphate and formaldehyde with viruses then got a syringe and injected it into your child, you would be arrested and sent to jail for child endangerment or abuse. Then why is it legal for a doctor to do it? And why would you as parents allow it? Educate yourself. Rethink vaccines." But there's a whole lot of other stuff on the back, as well. So I'd encourage you to get some of these and look, you don't have to… you can just… if you see a pregnant woman in the supermarket you can just grab one of these out of your handbag and say, "Here, you'll need this [inaudible]." You don't have to stop and have a conversation. They might throw it on the ground. Doesn't matter, someone else might see it who wants it. There are very non-threatening things that you can do. Ok? So it is time we all got active and started speaking up and stop worrying about not being liked and all this other crazy stuff that goes on in our heads. It doesn't matter if we're not liked by these crazy people. It doesn't. Really.

Audience: It's not about being liked.

Audience: That's exactly right.

Stephanie: It's about people don't want confrontation. Right? But don't get into a confrontation. Don't have a discussion about it. Just say, "Look, I can't remember everything, but let me take your details and I'll get a pack of information sent to you." Don't try and remember everything. People who vaccinate can't remember a thing because they don't know anything. Why do you think that the non-vaccinated should have to be able to sprout off a whole lot of facts. You don't. So stop thinking you do. Just say no, look I can't remember, I've investigated it thoroughly and made an informed decision. As a responsible parent I did that. And be proud that that's the decision you made.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Yeah. We've got forms that you can take to a doctor that says that they will be totally responsible for the whole life of your child for any costs incurred. But look, and that's another little game that you can play, if you want to. But most people are really busy and don't have time to play that game. But it is a good little tool to have. So if you're going into birth, that's a really good one because you're captive there if you go to a hospital. So it's good to have that. And I can send that to you via email. Actually, there's a sheet here and if there's anything in particular you want, just write your details across and what you want and I can email it to you within a week. Ok?

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: This is our 19th year of educating people and we do need help to do it. So there's lots of things you can just do that I've been talking about. Just very easy little things. But particularly get to pregnant women so that we don't have all these vaccine-damaged children. The US government, by the way, now is paying out for autism vaccine damage. But they're not calling it that. But soon it will happen because you cannot hide the truth forever. You just can't. History tells us that.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: And don't think people power's dead in the water. It is not. You know more people are turning to natural therapists, visit natural therapists, every year more than doctors? And that's been a trend for nearly over ten years now.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Yeah, they're playing with your mind because if you're damaged… and parents of damaged children are just so focussed, they don't have any time. I've got people here in Brisbane who just can never make a plan to go out anywhere because their day depends on how many seizures that child's having that day. And it's not one family. Really, it's just really horrific when you start getting into it.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: So what I would do, go [inaudible] …a lot of you have got my latest newsletter there and I produce a newsletter about 4 or 5 a year. If you want to get that sent to you, this is the form you need to fill in. It does cost you $25- a year to support my work and I hope that you will continue to do that if you are [inaudible] but that's the form you need to do.

There's also things over on the desk table here and there's one thing in particular I want to talk to you… well there's two things and they're to do with negative ions. Ok? Now for those of you don't know, negative ions kill bacteria within 60 seconds. So, there's pads down the back, can you hold up a packet of those green ones, please? Now, listen, these are actually panty liners but they've got a green strip in them that is negative ions. So this is what I would suggest. Remember, I don't have any qualification, I'm not giving advice. I'm just saying that this is what I would do if my children got a scratch or something, I would be getting one of those panty liners - of course, we wouldn't be calling them panty liners, we'd just be calling them [inaudible] - and you scratch the strip which releases the ions, put it on, and you [inaudible]. Now, I was in Shanghai last year and I got a very severe throat infection, my glands were very swollen, I was very painful to swallow. So I actually got the green strip out of a liner, dipped in water 'cause it's fluid or friction that releases the ions, I dipped it in water and chewed on it, within half an hour I could swallow with no pain and within an hour and a half my glands were down. It's phenomenal. They are phenomenal. Unfortunately, you can't just buy the green strips because we know that the TGA's got all of that tied up that nothing can get into the country that's natural.

Now these are negative ion toothbrushes. Right? They work a little bit differently, there's a rod in here that you hold up to light, so it's light that activates these ions. You brush your teeth, no toothpaste needed. Brush your teeth at night time… you've got to hold it for about 1 minute it says. And in the morning your mouth will feel nearly as clean as when you went to bed the night before. They're quite amazing. We've had people with bleeding gums try them, got rid of their bleeding gums overnight.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Yes, anything that's bacterial. So really fantastic and you get replacement heads. You keep the handle and the rod and you can just get the replacement heads. Ok? There's some really good materials down there from natural therapists and people who support the work and they're all really fantastic people so have a look at the cards down there. The pads are down there if you want to purchase some. And have a look at the book. It's a good idea to have at least one good vaccination book in your library. Not only for you but for you to loan to friends, anyone who's getting pregnant, but don't just leave things with them forever because they won't read them, you've got to get on to them and say you can have this for two weeks and get them reading. You can always contact me on the numbers on here for an information pack we send out free of charge. Ok? Any more questions?

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: No, no, no requirements for any Asian countries at all. So I travel a lot in Asia, I travel to Vietnam and all in the back blocks of China and I just make sure when I go I take a very good quality multi-vitamin and mineral supplement and I take some vitamin C powder [inaudible]. But, you know, my daughter just travelled everywhere as well, and I sent her off with panty liners because… you can actually rub that on once you've been bitten and the sting just goes as well as the bacteria.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: …to really boost the immune system. But, see, if you go and see a travel doctor they'll tell you you need about ten things and it amazes me people go and get jabbed and jabbed and jabbed, weeks, days and weeks before they get on an aeroplane which is one of the most unhealthiest environments you could ever put yourself to start with. And as of July you're going to have to go into those full screen things.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Yes, that's why everyone needs to write into politicians and tell them that you want to be able to be patted down. Every other country that has these monstrosities you can say no,… in America, I said, "No, I'm not going through that." And they yelled out, "Objector, Objector." With my husband who went a few days before me they called out, "Refuser, Refuser." It's supposed to intimidate you. And we're like [inaudible]. So I was flying from Atlanta to Paris last year and I said no, I'm not going through that. So after he yelled out objector they got a TSA woman to come over and collect me. She walks me through … so I'm thinking ok, I'm just going down here to be patted down. She wlks upto one of those elastic barriers, lifts it up which was right beside the metal detector. You walk through the metal detector and take two steps and you're in this big monstrosity. She lifts it up and lets me through. So I walked down beside where all the carry-on luggage is coming down on a conveyor belt and I see my boots and all my clothing that I was allowed to… that I had to take off, is all coming through. So I started getting dressed and I'm looking around, so I put my boots on, I collect my bags and I thought I'll just mosey on down here, so I mosey on down to some seats and I stood there and I turned around and I thought bugger this and I just went. I didn't even go through a metal detector. That's in America where they're so bloody paranoid about everything. When I was in Amsterdam as well last year, when I got to the airport I thought good, no thing. But then I got onto the gate and there's one at every gate. So I said to the guy, "I'm not going through that." He said, "Oh no, you have to." "No, I'm not going through that." And he went and got me a flyer that was written in English. So I went away and I sat down and read it and it said you have a choice. So I went up and said, "Excuse me, I'm not going through that, here's your brochure." So I get down and there's a very large woman, a dutch woman decided to give me a good frisking. I quite enjoyed it actually. Anyway, unless people start writing and letting these politicians know - remember, politicians like to be popular - and you can't just send emails because they know where the delete key is. Do not email these things, you need to… you can type a letter and sign it by hand, but put it in the post because then it goes through all their processes. Now if they get 30 letters they figure that's 3,000 people. Right? [inaudible] So if you are a travelling person do up a whole lot of them and get different people to sign them, just change them a little bit. But really, if you just sit back, all your rights are going to just be gone.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: The Gardasil vaccine which is the one that's supposed to prevent cervical cancer. When that first hit they said on the… when they were advertising on tv it said 'may prevent cervical cancer'. But now they've removed that word 'may' from the advertising. You know, in 1995 I went to the medical university of preston, they had an immunisation symposium on. So I went there and I sat and just listened and that Frazer person was standing up there and said that he's just invented this cervical cancer vaccine and it would be available in 10 years and we're going to give it to boys and girls. And at that point I left, I just thought, I cannot restrain myself any longer so I had better leave. Because now, what are they trying to do? Give it to boys.

Audience: [inaudible - question about high school vaccination form]

Stephanie: I would encourage you to return to it so they don't end up in the line just 'cause you're a complacent parent and didn't return it, and get a lovely big red felt pen and write "Toxic garbage, keep it away from my children or I will sue you". I don't think they'll make a mistake about that one. They will be very careful. Every year when my children in primary school, I would give the school teachers, each of children's teacher, a letter at the beginning of the year that said "Under no circumstances was my child (put their name in) allowed to visit any of your so-called health professionals who visit school and that includes dentists without me present." And 'me' was in big letters. "You are my first line of defence and if you do not comply I will sue you." Now I would give that to a teacher and I would stand there while they read it. And I have three children who went through, so 3, that's 21 teachers, basically. Some of them had the same teachers at different times but let's say there was 18 different teachers. Not once did I get any flak from that because they knew that I was very serious about it, but what I did get was quite a few teachers that said "good on you". So don't be afraid to stand up for your rights.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: There's a lot of people who are not vaccinating but they're staying quiet. Now that's all very well but what happens is the majority just can ride rough shod over you. It's time people started saying "Yes, I'm a non-vaccinator and gee I'm proud because I made an informed decision." Stop hiding. I've written this book called Melanie's Marvelous Measles. I'm now getting hate mail. Isn't that good. I've got a hate mail folder, I feel very neglected if I don't get any.

Audience: You're also a target of the Australian Skeptics.

Stephanie: Skeptics - nasty nasty people, but anyway, we won't bring that nastiness to this meeting. But this book is been designed to, for 4 to 10 year olds for you to read to them to bring them along on a journey about how not to be scared of these things like measles. But there's lots of other messages in here about eating a lot of fruit and vegies and, you know, just lots of messages for young kids. The illustrations are really lovely, it's a wonderful non-vaccinator in Tasmania did my illustrations and yeah, there's a lot of really good messages in here for kids. So it's not a book just to read them once, it's a book… if, they know about brainwashed children, you've got to counter that, so the idea is that you read it to them once a week for about 4 weeks, then you put it away for a few months, then you get it out again. And then when they're starting to get older you might only get it out once very six months. But you need to keep it up. Because you want them to get into high school and not put up with that because they will already have information about how ineffective it is and, you know, …I had told my children if anyone comes near you with a needle you tell them, "My mother will sue you if you do that." And if they still come near them I gave them permission to run away from school but I gave them permission to run to a certain place that I had already lined up for them that was really near school, that a friend who was also a non-vaccinator. Ok? So while I was at home I lived much further from the school. So you do need to educate your children, because you know, if the headmaster's standing over an 8 year old, they've just got no hope at all. So when you give a letter to your teacher, you also need to make sure that a copy of that goes into the file in the admin's [inaudible] to say what [inaudible] in my child's file, please. Because if a child has an accident at school that file goes with them to the hospital. Ok? So …and in there you make sure it states that absolutely no vaccines to ever to be given and no medical things to be given unless it is a life-threatening situation. Ok? So you've got to spell it out. Every time they go on a school excursion spell it out so the poor teachers don't have to make the decision; the decision's right there on the form.

So I would encourage you to get one of these, they're $20-. My next book will be out next week, which is called Sarah Visits a Naturopath. There's no really heavy stuff in this, but there's a lot about the ineffectiveness of vaccination because, of course, Melanie who gets measles was vaccinated, of course. So there's quite a few subliminal messages in there, like her friend who is not vaccinated is happy to go and visit her and hug her, she's not scared of the measles or catching it. There's lots of little bits in there. And the Sarah Visits A Naturopath one follows on from that but we get into fevers and more about, basically, creating your own health. And if you create bad health through what decisions you're making, then learning how to self heal. So that's what the second book's all about.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: So, any more questions?

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Start studying natural health. The answers to health are in natural health books, not in vaccination books.

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[start of audio file #3]

Stephanie: ... that's your job as parents, is to keep their immune system in good condition.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: There's so many issues that you really… I mean, most people are becoming aware about GM foods now and you need to really, as the doctor was saying, read the labels. Read it all and do your research, but at the end of the day what you gotta do is really, give foods that are not processed at all, in their most natural state.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Ok. Now for anyone who has vaccinated their children and particularly recently, there's a lovely lady down the back there [inaudible] who's got a sheet there on a poultice that you can apply that can draw out a lot of the toxic [inaudible] so you can go down and talk to her and get on the sheets and… yeah, so has anyone got any more questions?

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: Well, we do have a support group that meets once a month in Brisbane.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: We are trying to get a group happening there [Redcliffe] [inaudible] We have a group in Toowoomba, Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast and [inaudible] and I mean I'm happy to have it somewhere else, it's just someone needs to come forward and do that. Yeah, we do have that support group and, you know, you can join the Church of Conscious Living and they get together as well.

[Audience discussion]

Stephanie: So thanks everybody for coming.

[audience applaud]

Stephanie: I would really encourage you to join the group, pass on the emails that I send around, don't be afraid of who you're passing them onto, just pass them on. They're all about health, I don't send out any political stuff, or religious stuff or anything like that, just stuff about health. And support me by buying a few things 'cause this is a totally non-profit organisation, it's volunteer work. I'm happy to do it, I love doing it and I need to be supported financially to do it. [inaudible]

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